Curse

byteme! · May 04, 2008, 03:48 AM // 03:48

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Whats wrong with birthday presents is me (and many other ppl ive seen) have never gotten a mini better than a purple out of ~7 chars (1st AND 2nd bdays included)

Define better. If it's a case of color then explain "why" gold is "better" then purple when it comes to mini pets. Why is it better? Is it because Gold mini pets look better then purples and purples look better then whites? I suppose Green mini pets look the sexiest? Or perhaps it's not about the look. Maybe your definition of "better" mini pet involves around having more "value" for resale?

DarkFlame · May 04, 2008, 03:54 AM // 03:54

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Originally Posted by Hyprodimus Prime

A new player will NEVER be able to make much cash off his presents. Every year, the veteran will be making 50k+ while the new player might be averaging 5-10k.

Points at OP, 8 month old account and he apparently has 2 million gold. If he can do it without mini-pets, so can you. You don't need the mini-pets to get rich and in truth, 50k is very very little.

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Older players still get rewarded, but instead of gold, its something aesthetic. This way you can tell that the guy with the "Life Forged Shield" has been there since the beginning.

Then instead of griping about mini-pets, some one will be griping about so and so weapon skins that they can't get their hands on no matter how far they progress in-game and in wealth, unless they reach an age threshold.

Dr Strangelove · May 04, 2008, 04:50 AM // 04:50

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Originally Posted by wilderness

Mini-pets are not some kind of antidote, and while they're not related to grind your point about the hardcore classes was bitter-tinged and off-track.

Also: the rest of your argument is preaching to the choir. Read my previous posts, we agree.

Ah, my apologies then. I'm not bitter about it, I was just pointing out that chest drops aren't any more egalitarian than birthday presents.

/arguing with the wrong person

Magikarp · May 04, 2008, 05:04 AM // 05:04

this thread is phail. im not trolling either. that was a fact.

on the other note, i think the main problem is that people like solutions that have simple horizons. one mega drop, rich for life in GWs, one mega rare mini for free, rich for life in GWs, one armbrace dupe for 2 mill for the new player who want s the mega rare mini, rich for li.....

im just yankin your chain btw OP :P

seriously though, this argument made it to page 6 for something that's not going to change tbh..

erikjo · May 04, 2008, 05:12 AM // 05:12

Personally I think this thread is silly. If you have started later, find ways to compete with the older players. I have played around the same amount of time as you. I have more gold and ectos than I could possibly spend, as I mastered a trading method that I used to make all my money. Whining about how things are unfair etc is pointless. Trust me doing research and being intelligent is far greater than how long you have played.

Makkert · May 04, 2008, 05:13 AM // 05:13

It is a bit ridiculous, how inflated this market behaves. Mini's are highly overrated when new, and a few months later their prices drop accordingly.
Must like every new trinket in the game.

Actually, this is not far off normal economic behaviour. When a new technological based item is put on the market, it's sellingprice is usually high to make a ROI (return on investment) possible, to recover the expenses made in R&D. Also, competitors are not in the market, as the trinket is new. So prices are high. After time, competitors enter the market and prices go down, as well as the R&D costs being recovered already over time, forcing prices down.

So, it's all normal economic behaviour from that viewpoint.

~ Makkert

Hyprodimus Prime · May 04, 2008, 06:11 AM // 06:11

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Originally Posted by DarkFlame

Points at OP, 8 month old account and he apparently has 2 million gold. If he can do it without mini-pets, so can you. You don't need the mini-pets to get rich and in truth, 50k is very very little.

Then instead of griping about mini-pets, some one will be griping about so and so weapon skins that they can't get their hands on no matter how far they progress in-game and in wealth, unless they reach an age threshold.

Well then call me a scrub. I dont play daily. Does that make me any less loyal of a player? GW isnt pay 2 play. I still visit the forums and offer advice, help and suggestions. I update the wikis if I have something to say, I advertise GW to my friends and I financially support those whom I call newbies. 2 mill is really good. I played 2 years and my account's net value is only a half of the OP's. 50k might be little to you, but to me thats a weeks worth of farming playing an hour a day doing UW runs, shard runs, raptor runs and actual running. For me thats a lot of work. You are right, no one needs minis to get rich, but the point is you atleast you get a chance to hit the jackpot to which only Day-One players have access to.

Like people have said, Anet wants to reward those who have been with them since the beginning, customized weapons make them even more distinguished. since no one can cheat their way into it.

wilderness · May 04, 2008, 06:18 AM // 06:18

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Originally Posted by Hyprodimus Prime

50k might be little to you, but to me thats a weeks worth of farming playing an hour a day doing UW runs, shard runs, raptor runs and actual running. For me thats a lot of work. You are right, no one needs minis to get rich, but the point is you atleast you get a chance to hit the jackpot to which only Day-One players have access to.

50k is a jackpot?

How long does it take you to spend that 50k you take a week to make, a fraction of that time right? Perhaps a day or two in the right circumstance?

So the potential for a yearly payment of 50k means how much to you? As I said previously: perspective, people.

If you also mean the chance to find a rare are rare mini worth 100k+xxx, I'm pretty sure it's about the same as earning that amount from the zchest or a lucky drop, ie very low. I don't actually know anyone who was gift wrapped a mini worth over 100k, even if you had access earlier the chances are you'd get a white... or something you didn't want...

It's a shame some of you people don't think more before you type, that's all.

Martin Alvito · May 04, 2008, 06:31 AM // 06:31

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Originally Posted by wilderness

50k is a jackpot?

I'm pretty sure he's referring to the 100k+2XX ecto prices that the most desired new minis were commanding on day one. Granted, at the stated payout rate the above poster makes that about twice a year.

Still, over a million gold can safely be called a jackpot by the standards of the vast majority of players. That's insta-FoW plus the ability to kit out a warrior with a few nice weapons or to kit out a caster with pretty much everything that will be needed.

The problem at the heart of the debate is that any new allocation system will necessary be inequitable; all you're doing is changing who wins and who loses. Cycling problems are bad; you should stick with the equilibrium you've reached unless there's an option that clearly improves on the status quo (no one is worse off, at least someone is better off).

(Exception: When balancing a game, the game should always be in DISequilibrium. Balances are for the purpose of kicking the game out of equilibrium, not to ensure that blockway shall reign supreme for all time.)

Hell Raiser · May 04, 2008, 06:35 AM // 06:35

I've got over 5,000 hours in 35 months, and I have 21k in storage right now. I have had only 1 FoW and 9 Elite sets. I don't think that amounts to 100k+e on all my characters. I've never done hardcore elite areas like DoA, and I stopped doing UW/FoW a long time ago... and I can't save any money that I do get (it's not like I have to pay rent in-game, and farming and hording it is not nearly as fun as spending it).

And since I joined the game about a month after the release, and my current main characters were created a month after that, and I always get the cheap minis, I've never gotten to make money off my minipets.

EDIT: I think that they should have just been untradeable from the start.

Jongo River · May 04, 2008, 06:52 AM // 06:52

When birthday minis were introduced, it was a cute, but mildly irritating idea. Sure, it was a nice reward for those that received them, but as with most ANet ideas, it rewards on rather arbitrary grounds and coerces a play-style which suits some more than others (never re-roll, for fear of missing out).

It got worse with EotN. Now we've been set a target to obtain 20 of the blasted things - not easy if you haven't received many (or any) bday "gifts". It's not like that's achievable through ingame questing, since there's only 1 mini obtainable that way. And don't tell me that it's optional - supposed "optional" stuff is all EotN is. It's about as optional as "shall I play Guild Wars, or is this damn game not worth my time anymore?"

The system should have changed, after the HoM was introduced. Minis are part of the game now, so distribution should have been balanced more fairly.

zamial · May 04, 2008, 07:45 AM // 07:45

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Originally Posted by Jongo River

When birthday minis were introduced, it was a cute, but mildly irritating idea. Sure, it was a nice reward for those that received them, but as with most ANet ideas, it rewards on rather arbitrary grounds and coerces a play-style which suits some more than others (never re-roll, for fear of missing out).

It got worse with EotN. Now we've been set a target to obtain 20 of the blasted things - not easy if you haven't received many (or any) bday "gifts". It's not like that's achievable through ingame questing, since there's only 1 mini obtainable that way. And don't tell me that it's optional - supposed "optional" stuff is all EotN is. It's about as optional as "shall I play Guild Wars, or is this damn game not worth my time anymore?"

The system should have changed, after the HoM was introduced. Minis are part of the game now, so distribution should have been balanced more fairly.

I hate to point this out because IF you are a newer player I can understand your frustration. If you are trying to look out for the new player base that is admirable also.

BUT
Mini pets are/were also available from other promotions other than B-days(but you needed to be here for them)
It sounds like you are upset because you feel like you can not max out your HOM, well if you started a brand new character TODAY it would take 1500+ hours just to max the KoaBD title alone(That is 4+ hours a day EVERY day for a year), we still haven't hit anything else in the HoM. The HoM is NOT for new players, it is there to aid those of us that have been playing this game for 2+ years that are going to start all over again in gw2. We will not receive any ingame benefit from the HoM over someone that has never even played gw1.

-fin on that

The mini pets worth is based on what some other people will pay for it. The truth is they are like in game dolls and a way of sucking up inventory space, Anet needs to sell character slots lol. The mini pet community is a small portion of the player base(no offense meant). All you need to do is wait. Mini's have 2 types of players the people looking to turn a fast plat and those that like what they have. When my 1st char turn 3 in less than a month BET I will be flaunting it all over the place and I will not sell It because I don't care about in game gold. It says either a) I have too much plat or b) I am a 3 year vet. So which are you?

- fin on that

- soz about the wall o text

Mods this is more of a sanitarium thread than a riverside.

Thizzle · May 04, 2008, 07:46 AM // 07:46

This is a joke. The minis are worth a good amount when they first roll out then it's old news and they end up as a 1k whiptail devourer.

Jongo River · May 04, 2008, 08:23 AM // 08:23

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Originally Posted by zamial

When my 1st char turn 3 in less than a month BET I will be flaunting it all over the place and I will not sell It because I don't care about in game gold. It says either a) I have too much plat or b) I am a 3 year vet. So which are you?

3 year player, with a 6 month main.

I actually can and am in the process of buying pets to fill a HoM (14/20), but I really resent having to spend so much on something that ANet has set up to be near costless for some players.

Oh and I don't plan on maxing KoaBD - way too much grind in that! But I have set myself the target of filling the displays in at least one HoM, because it's pretty much all there is to do at this point.

HuntMaster Avatar · May 04, 2008, 09:00 AM // 09:00

what does having 20 minis in HoM do? I have 20+ pets!

zamial · May 04, 2008, 09:12 AM // 09:12

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

what does the HoM do?

other than when all the monuments are maxed a bright flash happens, noone knows. lol

edited quote for the answer.

Lord Sojar · May 04, 2008, 09:27 AM // 09:27

/notsigned.

You are not being punished, you are not losing anything. Veteran players deserve these gifts. If I would not have deleted my original 2 characters, I would have had one by now. I get mine in under 5 months. I look forward to adding them to my HoM and selling the ones I don't particularly care for a few plat.

God forbid, veteran players make 100-160k more then you in a years time! They have such an advantage! You are so abused!

Let's see here...

Assuming 100k average for these new minis atm (which is a bit high, but I will make it high just to cover the bases)

100,000/365 = 274 gold/day rounded up.

So in other words, these veteran players are killing maybe 2-4 more undead outside Bergen Hot Springs on their 55 per day then you are. OMG, you are so denied!

Wrath of m0o · May 04, 2008, 09:36 AM // 09:36

I dont like how all the people that have been here for 3 years have obsidian armor, can you make it so new people can start out in pre-searing with free FoW armor.
This thread /Failz

Ive played 3 beta weekend events, and i just shelled out big $$ for 3 year mini pets.
I suggest you go farm some grawls and buy one if you think its unfair.

Avarre · May 04, 2008, 10:52 AM // 10:52

This thread is a silly thread. If it was properly organized and put in Sardelac, then we could say why it is silly in a more thorough manner.